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It sounds to me like you have way more time to play then the average player. You were level 80 in like what 3 days? And now you are stk piling mats all day. I would notall getting this armor “too easy” just yet. I’m not trying to insult you. Being able to play all day is probally fun. I’m just putting it into persptive. There were really goodraftable eps in as well. Many were later repled by raid eps as moreontent was opened up in the game. I suspt something similar will happen here as well.Borsuk wrote:Have youonsidered these points: 1. Maybe BS is the new Tailor. My mage was able toreate near T5 gear byollting Fire Motes, Netherweb, andloth that dropped from nearly every mob I killed in the daily quests. Blizzard basally foed you to do it… I love my Spellfire set! (Loved) 2. BS wasn’t that great before. Yeah, those goggles were good, but it wasn’t reallyonsidered a “Must do” profession. 3. A recuring theme in WotLK has been ease of tanking. The lk of tanks has hurt the game as a whole. They havereated a newlass, resp’d tanking tts, andhanged mob’s hit table. (Though I don’t fully understand thehanges, they definately have made somehanges.) 4. Finally, I’d like to see the statists on just how many people tually were BS relative to the other professions. IF you think that all 3 gathering professions, ahemy plus Ehanting & (and now Inrtion) will benifit everylass in game. (Meaning youan either make money or use the matsproded material) ore these as Tier 1 Professions Tailors benifit allloth wearers and anyone who needs bags. Leather only helps leather or those needing end game drums (very few). ore these as Tier 2 Professions Engineering and BS really are limited to the user. Most of the items require you to have a the skill to both make and use (So not mh resale). While Engineering offers Utility, it’s really just for therafter. BS allows you to make Gear, but it lked utility and it was really just for therafter. ore these as Tier 3 Professions I don’t know – just my thoughts… In Vanilla WoW and T a lot of the better Blksmithing Plans were BoP and the better Blksmithing items were BoP. This is not thease in WotLK. 99% of the items I make are BoE and Ian make Mail, Plate, and now SHIELDS (finally). Almost every item I make has varients that are useful for different sps as well. So now my market for Blksmithing items iludes ANYONE who uses Mail, Plate, andor Shields. Thisovers a lot of the game population, espially with the proliferation of DK’s. Ian now make something like a wow.allakhazamomdbitem?witem=40942;soue=live and tually sell it for more than theost of the mats (whh almost never happend in T). Sie I mine, I get my mats for free. Also, BSan now add skets to several different items. It only works on your own items, and I think it is only 3 item slots so far (Wrists, Waist, and Shoulders maybe??) but that is still pretty darnool. Wean also make keys to openhests and lkboxes. Usually the keys are more expensive than tping a rogue, but they are AWESOME in a dungeon when you have a lkedhest and no rogue in the party. Finally, almost none of the quest rewards in WotLK are designed for tanks, but BSan now make TONS of BoE tanking pies that will probably sell like hoakes to any tank. With all of those advantages, I would say BS is probably a Tier 2 profession, and if you wear mail or plate it is probably one of the top professions. Also, on Point 2 in your , the goggles are an Engineering item, not a BS item.

There’s a BoE weapon i have my eye onalled the Titansteel Destroyer, a 2-handed me. I’m a miner and jewerafter, but that looks like a great weapon to start progression in raidingthe arena. I’m sure i’ll need another heap of titansteel for the ne trinkets too.I haveonsidered those points Borsuk, and whileertainly true I’m not only limiting the ope to blksmithing. For those of us stking titansteel sure, but the ft remains that allrafting professionsan make extremely useful level 80 gear. And not only that… most of it (eept for things like trinkets and the limit-3 prismat gems) is not only BoE but trainable from the trainer or a nearby vendor. ase in hand, with less than two full weeks of farming I’m going to have the mats (without buying any) to make (jewerafting) or have made for me (blksmithing) nearly head-to-toe Northrend level 80 eps. You almost don’t even have to dk out in Blues in order to get eps anymore. Youould make it through Northrend on green quest rewards (if you just arrived without raiding pre-Wrath and didnt do instaes or instae quests or group quests) and have nearly all of the mats you need to make nearly full eps at 80 from farming. Ofourse, if you were in Greens you might have issues obtaining the Frozen Orbs… but oh wait hey, youan always buy those. So even a total newb to the game in a few months when they make it to 80 will be able to dk out in Northrend eps prtally the minute they ding if they have a bit of gold for Frozen Orbs. Now… there ARE going to be patterns that drop in instaes. Blizzard has “promised” that the PATTERNS wont be BoP anymore, so that theyan be soldehangedwhatever. Some of the items they make will likely be BoP. Now imagine what’s available right now from the TRAINERS and imagine what these drop patterns will likely be. If they don’t make SOMETHING BoP everyone WILL be able to ep out in full the minute they ding. Not only that, they’ll end up havinghoes onross-grade eps to dk out in.

Okay, I’m fairly new at the Shaman game so I am seeking a bit of aid. I’ve played a hybridlass in the past without issue – both Druid and Warlk – but not mh with a Shammie. I want to be able to heal but still solo, so I think going full Resto is out of the question at the moment. Right now my build is this: urrent Build If I keep this build I should end up like this: 70 Build As youan tell my goal is to be able to solo well, but I enjoy being the healersupport personel in parties and sh so I want to be able to fution as a main or off healer.an anyone advise me? Am I aiming the wrong way in my build?an a full on Resto Shaman solo without any issues?Your build looks really good tually. It’s very similar to mine. However there are a few things I wouldhange. Toughness and Antation are garbage. Those are 10 points thatan be way better spent elsewhere. Put those points into Weapon Mastery and Storm Strike instead. Although to get to the next tear your going to have to maybe put aouple into one of them. Also the Aestral Healing imo isn’t very good and wouldonsider moving them to something else like totem mana redtion. Your going to throw lots of totems in your time as a shaman so you might as well start saving the mana now. I even stole 2 points from the healing wave to top it out. I personally don’t use wave a whole lot in battle and stk to mostlyhain heals (get later) and lesser heals. Waves work good if you only have to fus on one person and NOBODY else is getting hit bause your going to be tied up in aast for a while. 5 points to shave of 0.5 s isn’t really worth it. Better spent in totems imo. A altering to what I was deribing above looks like this: worldofwaraftominfoclass…00000000000

hello all. I dinged 69 on my Shaman day before yesterday,urrently half a level to go to the big 7- 0 ! lol for referee: My main is a warrior main tank, so anythingasting is new to me. Anyway, He has been elemental sp sie level 58. I love the sp., i love the play style and i am having boat loads of fun with him. Pretty mh I saved almost every mail + spell damage gear trinket ring nk quest reward I obtained. only trashed it if it was alear upgrade. Now, i have seen the dungeon gear guides both here and on the O-boards, I will be working towards them in a bit but sie i am still main tanking my way in Kara till i get all the tank drops i need. in the meantime, i will be leveling professions with the Shammy and grabbing instaes where ian on off raid days. Lots of the new quest reward gear (whh I will be using for a bit) has a lot of +rit stat but lower + spell damage on it. Should ioentrate stking one over the other? whh stat islearly stronger? (besides stam and int, thats a given). if an item has lower stam and or int, but more spell damage and orrit rating, is it truly an upgrade (bause of the loss of base stats) ? Morerit rating = morelearasting pr’s, more spell damage = more top end white damage…hoes,hoes,hoes… thanks for readin, thanks in advae for replies.First thing you want to aim for is 33% unbuffed LBrit %. Whh is somewhere around 250 spellrit rating along with your talents. After that it’s pretty mh a math war whether mp5 or morerit is going to help your sustainability more. I suggestrafting the Netherstrike set from 375 Dragonale Leatherworking. And while you’re leveling that up, hit up Shadow Labs as mh as youan in any effort to get exalted with Lowerity. You’re also going to want to try and hit revered or higher with the Sha’tar as quk as possible. I would probably srife 5-10 INT for 10-15 spellrit, but not ve versa. With a good set ofrit gear on, you’ll be at or near 400-500 spell dmg, whh doesn’t seem like mh but add in the ft that you’reritting one third of yourasts for double damage is good enough toompensate until you’re dked out in eps. I suggest running Aatraz til you get a Worldfirehest pie and Steam Vaults for Earth mantle handwraps then going for the rest of Tidefury to start until you get some better items.

Dark PtRuin? It’s been proven many times that without highrit, far higher than youan get before 25-mans, Unstable Affltion > Ruin for DPS. If you want to see ZOMFGrits, sure, go SMRuin, but your DPS will suffer.Yeah, I didn’t know what it will the build isalled. Myrit is at 12% now, but I think I might be able to get it up to 15% by level 61 and with devastation this should put be at around 20%rit. I guess I am looking foronfirmation that SM affts shadow bolt as it is really bad having to resp all the time. Link to this Feb 12th 2008 12:38pm Edited: Feb 12th 2008 12:40pm : Logged Reply to this RasenSage1443 Good What extly is the DPS differee from not taking UA? I’m alsoonsidering going SMRuin at 70. Not bause I want the ZOMGWTFrits (although I won’t say no!) but bause it seems the most fun for me and I’m lky in that I have a guild that doesn’t foe you to sp a partular way. That being said, I don’t want to gimp my DPS hugely. I just like both the DoT and Shadow Bolt slinging aspts of the Warlk and this seems to be the only way Ian have both. Another thought on this is what enario the build will be used for. I am using it for 5-man instaes up until raiding or harder lvl 70 instaes, whh I agree require higher sustained DPS. I mention this bause I think the DPS variability (Ruinrits, DOTs) and viability (Dark Pt) is more important than high DPS builds in 5-man instaes on trash and bosses. I would think that builds and play in 5-man instaes is far different than long boss fights in raids.

Okay, I am a DPS whore. I am a level 60 lk with base 12-13%rit and like most lks I like to nuke (shadow bolt) and love to see little DOTs flying off on my reen. But, I really love to minimize my down time. I know I am asking a lot, but it is 2008. I tried the full affltion build (41010). The DPS wasn’t as high as I would have liked though there was prtally no down time between dark pt and life tap. I tried the felguard build (9430). I tually liked this build better due to the burst damage from the felguard, but found the DPS was a bit too low andontrolling the felguard taxing. I tried the demon-scdestro build (72121) and I like the DPS, but the downtime was too long espially if I sc the Scubus for the 15% shadow damage. Hee, you see my dillema. I’ve been playing around with theaulators and found I think what isalled the dark ptruin build (31021) build. This will hypothetally work for me, bause I have my dots (inst and imporr, SL, agonyCoS), my nuke (ruin), my viability (mana from dark pklife tap), and Ianhoose what demon I want out. My question is two fold and perhaps very obvious, but I reallyan’t afford two more resps: one, does the shadow mastery damage irease the shadow bolt damage and two, what are your impressions of this build? As a bkground, I will be using this build to run 5-man and AV pvp. I’m new to the lk and love thelass so pleaseomment. I know myrit is low for ruin and imp shadow bold, but I love to nuke =). I won’t be able resp until level 61 to get dark pt and ruin at the same time, but this gives me time to get gold for the resp… Here is the build at lvl 61: wowheadom?talent=Iq0rVRfzqzZZxx0tr0z Here is the build at lvl 69: wowheadom?talent=IA0rVRfzqzZbZxx0tr0t ast sequee will beoACoS,orr, SL, Immolate (on bosses), SB. I willut out some dots depending on how fast the 5-man pug is downing trash MOBs. Thanks!

Arena’s what? Sie when did Arenas have possessions? Anyway, bk onto the top, Unstable Affltion is probably your best bet if you want good early raiding (< T5) AND PvP. THIS (43711 variant) is what I’m rolling with at the moment, a sp that’s usable for both PvP and low-level raiding, and is pretty good at both too. However, oe you get into mid-level raiding or Arenas (< T51700) you’ll need to be using separate sps for both. Unstable Affltion Warlks will start needing the benefits given from D-SDEST or SLSL at that point.I don’t have experiee of playing arena destro spced, but I do have some experiee of playing with mage in various different sps, so I think Ian give you some useful ts. If your mage friend sps frost and you play as a destro, be prepared that you will be the main target of every arena you play. If you have good gear, you might survive long enough to win your games and if you don’t… well, youan probably kiss 1850 ratings good bye* ^^ On the other hand, if your mage friend sp’s as fire or aanefire hean do massive amount of damage and you would benefit from his ohes as well (also he will benefit from youroE inase you use it). I believe that this setup will be moreommon after 2.4. sie firelks are getting some buffs as well as aane mages. I have eountered some teams with this kind of setup and Ian assure you that theyan be really tough if played well. You ‘just’ need to make sure you keep your other opponentc’d and kill the other one (preferably qukly). With good gear and skill, youan make it work (basally this will be your strategy in ~every game no matter what sp you play with sie you have no healer). Scubusan tually be good replement for felhunter if you dide to go destro, I have seen it working… Even though she will get killed pretty fast in most of your games. Most of the destrolks with good arena ratings are playing with healers (mostly with druids cording to my experiees), but I have strong belief that firelkfiremageould also do well in arena’s and that’s why I have beenonsidering to go for destro too (probably not in the near future though). Please, keep us (or atleast me) ed how you are doing in arena if you dide to go destro *Dilaimer: Diffulty level might vary between different battlegroups

As for usingoS or not, I normally run with 2 (sometimes 3) other lks and at least a SPriest, sooS is allways up, even on trash. So it depends on the raid makeup I guess. Link to this 0 Messages skped by filter settings, 8 displayed.Thread Index New Subjt Reply to this 7 Replies (Seah Forums) Forum by ZAM Network   v2.7 Allakhazam’s Forums >World of Waraftlass Diussions >Warlk >Falling far behind in raids opy; • ZAM Store • About ZAM • Site FAQ • Premium • Advertise Someontent is lensed under the GNU Free Dumentation Lense • Privy Poly • Terms of ServeHey, Im gonna start a 2vs2 arena team with my mage m8. 2 start of with im gonna be destrtion and plz note that its fun mostly (1850+ rating would be ne though) I know any other sp then SLSL gives u a –>REALLY

Warriors * Bloodthirst:ooldown reded to 5 s. * Improved Rendhanged to 1020%. * Inferno: The Infernal is now useable indoors and the toolt has been updated. * Rend: Damage has been adjusted to be less base and more weapon based. * Rend: Ranks 9 and 10 now do 35% more damage when the target is above 75% health instead of 4 times damage when the target is enraged. * Sudden Death: Now has 369%hae on hit instead of 102030%hae onrit. * Titan’s Gr:hanged to 12% penalty instead of 15%. Taken Verbatum from the WoW website, linked by a blue annouing that the PTR is up. When did we get infernals btw ;-D We got infernals at level 62……… Link to this t 21st 2008 10:56am Edited: t 21st 2008 10:57am : Logged Reply to this robertlofthouseSage606 Good Ok, I’ve sie found out that while the peentages for Imp rend have dropped, thehanges in weapon damage aling more than make up for it .. Here’s a quote from another I found: While doing my first kara sie the new pah i started to run into some threat problems on the bosses. My omen says i was getting around 2.5k threat per sond whh is alot more than i have ever gotten before(i guess it might have something to do with vigilae on the next highest threat person) but i was still having trouble holding agro from a rog (with vigilae) and a hunter both in t4-5 gear. before the pah i had no problems. is anyone else experieing something like this Link to this 4 replies t 20th 2008 4:56pm : Logged Reply to this amelToadholar416 Dent

if you have a hunter in the party, have the hunter misdirt you, then you run bk around aorner out of LOS or range. Have the hunter make the pull, and the threat transfers to you, the mobsome to you, now they are lined up and near eh other ready for shkwave Link to this t 21st 2008 12:34pm : Logged Reply to this Kellindrossholar115 Dent In addition to magesountering spells, I know that shamansan earth shk aaster; interrupting the mob’s spell and sileing them from that hool for a few sonds. Link to this t 21st 2008 2:39pm : Logged Reply to this TrogdorTheBurninatora146 Dent There are a number of ways to deal withasters while pulling: #1: Line of sight. Its been suggested by everyone for a reason. #2: BasC- Sheep, Sap, sileing shot+trap, warlk Sede (Only works for humanoids). #3: Bas abilities- Warlks Felhunteran spellk, magesan spell lk as well. Priestsan silee I believe, Hunters have Sileing shot, Shamans have earth shk. #4: Deal with it yourself- This is my new favorite way to deal withasters: harge the group (Sie you don’t have to stae dae forharge anymore) oe you hit target (Preferably theaster) use Thundelap then Shkwave to stun the others and then shield bash to daze and silee theaster, intervene or just run bk to your group and finish them all off. Link to this 1 Message skped by filter settings, 14 displayed.Thread Index New Subjt Reply to this 14 Replies (Seah Forums) Forum by ZAM Network   v2.7 Allakhazam’s Forums >World of Waraftlass Diussions >Warrior >Pullingasters opy; • ZAM Store • About ZAM • Site FAQ • Premium • Advertise Someontent is lensed under the GNU Free Dumentation Lense • Privy Poly • Terms of Serve